Glory and Gravity

Sunday, April 24, 2005

A Letter Regarding Catholicism

A letter to all regarding Roman Catholicism and the newly elected Pope. Since a new Pope has been elected I think this is a good time to bring up many issues that have been put to the back burner. There is talk, even among evangelica Christians, that Catholics do a "good" deed in standing up for moral issues and for doing the work of justice and taking care of the poor. I put good in parenthesis because even the good that they do is sin. Romans 14:23 For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin. (This issue will be addressed later) My ultimate concern is that because of the "good" things which they do they are perceieved as the mis-informed sibling in Christendom...a little off the mark but still Christian in essensce. I am even more concerned because the new Pope is viewed as one who will stand up for doctrine and wont get "swept along by every wind of teaching," as the newly elected Pope Benedict has said. It may sound strange to some that I am frightened by the Pope's statements. The pope has said he will cling to fundamentalist teachings, many christians say great. The problem is these fundamentalist teachings are not biblically accurate in nature, they are in gross error. The pope may be against homosexuality, that is commendable, but in light of the fact that he does not believe that salvation is from faith alone through grace alone and that Christ's atonement was sufficient enough to save, it doesnt really matter what he believes about any moral issue.
In case anyone be unfamiliar with Catholocism let me refresh you.

Catholics believe that Mary is a co-redemptress with Jesus
That Mary led a perfect life. - The bible is clear only one man lived a sinless life.
That Mary intercedes for us to God the father -- My bible says in Romans 8 that the Sprit intercedes and that Christ is "indeed interceeding for us"
Catholics are told to pray for the grace of salvation daily http://www.catholic.org/clife/prayers/prayers.php?section_id=42&name=Salvation
They believe that the sacraments are necessary for salvation
They believe indulgences can be purchased to remit the sins of dead people
They believe that the Pope possess infallible teaching....
That tradition is on authoritative par with Holy Scripture

The primary and major error with Catholocism is its understanding that Christ's work on the cross is not sufficent. It is merely a help. Christ's death cannot bring us to God without other "works". Catholocism is based equally if not more so on tradition and ceremony more than the Bible. Christians must take a stand and not view Catholics as mis guided souls. I think it is right to say Catholics are not saved; they are not, cannot be, if they hold fast to what they teach. It is "good" that the Catholics give so much aide to the world. It is a pity many "Chrisitans" do not. But any work done apart from Faith in Christ - the true revealed Christ, not a mis understood Christ, is sin and therefore in need of repentence. We cannot say the pope is here and is going to do good and be fundamental. They are not fundamental right, at the very core of their beliefs is error. Our primary concern should not be partnership on social and moral concerns but on preaching the cross. In 1 Cor 2 Paul says "I, when I came to you, brothers,[a] did not come proclaiming to you the testimony[b] of God with lofty speech or wisdom. 2For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified." The proclamation of the true Gospel is to be our primary concern and it must be accuratly proclaimed or it is not truly proclaimed. Even any moral good flows out of a correct understanding of Christ if it is to be good and God exalting. All morality and practical deeds of love and mercy flow out of the cross and its sufficiency and power. We should not be happy at a Pope standing up for fundamentalism when his fundamental views are contrary to Scripture. Instead we must be saddened that the line between Christianity and another false religion is again being blurred. We must stand up for the biblical truths and differences. It is good to unite on comomon ground of morality but I'm afraid we've done that at the expense of doctrinal clarity. Catholics by an large are lost people, they are not saved, they are in need of grace and forgiveness. Lest we forget Martin Luther, the great reformer who called the Catholic church in account for the very issues that still stand today. Luther repented of sins daily, he even paid for indulgences, but never felt secure in his "salvation" and always felt God could never forgive him. God can never forgive any of us if we dont claim his sufficient work on the cross. Corinthians 2:14 But thanks be to God, who in Christ always leads us in triumphal procession, and through us spreads the fragrance of the knowledge of him everywhere. 15For we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing, 16to one a fragrance from death to death, to the other a fragrance from life to life. Who is sufficient[a] for these things? 17For we are not, like so many, peddlers of God's word, but as men of sincerity, as commissioned by God, in the sight of God we speak in Christ. "

Answer, Christ is suffiicient for these things, and Christ alone. Maybe we need another Martin Luther to come up and ring the bell of clarity to get the message straight, because if the message is not straight it is no message at all. If you grab on to a life preserver full of holes you will drown. We should not pray for the pope to be one who wont give up on gay marrige and all the political issues the Church and Christianity agree on (and yes there is a place for these things. never pray might be overstating it) But we are Christians, our stand is not on political issues, but on Christ and His message. And when we do take a stand on morality, its because of Christ and His message. We ought rather to pray that someone in or outside of Catholocism (maybe even the new Pope) would bring Catholics out of the darkness and would expose their false ways that are leading so many people (1 billion catholics nationwide) straight to hell. Galations 1:8-10 says8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. 10For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant[a] of Christ. There Gospel is not the Gospel of the Bible it is grossly wrong and we must affirm the truths of Scripture and the differences that make Christianity tue. Just because it claims Jesus as Lord or even God does not make it true. Many will say to Jesus Lord, Lord and he will say "Depart from me I never knew you." They will call Jesus Lord, affirming his Diety, and He will receieve them not. Because they did not see the Lord of Glory accurately and believe in His sufficiency.
Let us not approach this topic with haughtiness or pride, but with a broken heart and contrite spirit. Let us not dislike false teaching more than we love truth.

For His Glory

21 Comments:

  • At May 15, 2005 9:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Interesting thoughts, I appreciate your ideas. Pertaining to the verse in Romans 14, is it not referring to lawful things becoming unlawful because it causes a brother to stumble? They become unlawful because they cause offense in a brother. Is it not saying enjoy a comfort, a liberty, but do not cause trouble on yourself or your brothers by wrong use of it? And when it says, "whatever is not from faith is sin" is it not referring to enjoying a liberty, eating or drinking, against a cautioning conscience? I think the verse was taken a bit out of the correct context. Is not all truth God's truth? You say, "The pope may be against homosexuality, that is commendable, but in light of the fact that he does not believe that salvation is from faith alone through grace alone and that Christ's atonement was sufficient enough to save, it doesnt really matter what he believes about any moral issue." Is not the truth he believes God's truth? Although his beliefs about salvation may not be sufficient and according to Scripture I do not think we have right to say, "it doesnt really matter what he believes about any moral issue." Our world is surrounded by so many mis-truths, but I think that we as Christians are so afraid to find truth in anything that we believe to be "non-Christian." God's truth surrounds us, so does evil. A non-believer may be displaying truth in his life, a form of truth, a portion of truth that corresponds with biblical truth, although he may not yet know Jesus Christ. We are so afraid to find truth outside the Bible, don't get me wrong the truth we find in this world must correspond with biblical truth, but it is everywhere; it is even among those we consider to be non-believers. And it does matter what the Pope believes on any moral issue, because he leads millions of people and if he approved of homosexuality or abortion, it would not be truth. But he is leading people nearer to Christ by observing the truth he knows and making it known and living by it.

     
  • At May 15, 2005 10:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Romans 14:1 "NOw accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgement on his opinions."

     
  • At May 15, 2005 1:49 PM, Blogger Jarrett said…

    Anonymous,

    The context of Romans 14 does not outway the specific nature of "whatever is not of faith is sin." Similar comments can be found in Hebrews 11 saying "without faith it is impossible to please God." So I take that to mean any obedience to God's word or any good we do , done outside of faith in God is sin. So therefore anything a non christian does is sin. My emphasis in saying that it doesnt really matter what the pope says about moral issues was to stress the fact that rallying around moral issues maybe good at times, but it is never to be our foundation. Our foundation is in the atoning work of Christ. As far as a non believer displaying truth in their life, i'm not really sure what that means. A non believer only sins. Even the good he does comes from his sin."
    Genesis 6:5
    "The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." As far as learning "truth" from non believers I dont think thats in the bible. Apart from Christ we sin and only sin. John Piper states that even building a children's hospital is sin. James says if we have broken one law we have broken them all because its not the law that condemns us per se its the God we violated. The same God that said one rule also said another so if u keep all but fail in one u violated God. As far as the pope leading people nearer to Christ. I would have to say that he is decieving people not leading them nearer. The power to save is not in the example of our lives ultimately it is the message of the cross.
    1 Corinthians 1:17-18
    "17For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. 18For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."
    The pope cannot lead people to Christ without giving them his sufficent atoning work. Yes on one hand its good he stands up for morals. God can use him for His purposes. But that doesnt mean we shouldnt stand up for the only Truth that matters. Scripture. You said the Pope displays the truth he knows and that is good. Displaying truth is only good if that truth is the real truth, not just the perceivied truth. I can tell someone that a gun is empty and they can point it at me, but that is only wise (actually its never wise lol) if the gun is actually empty. My truth must correspond with reality. That is where the pope fails. That is where catholicism fails. As far as your comments on finding truth somewhere else. That doestn really make sense, it sounds very mystical or new agish. Our truth is only to be found in the bible. How did you hear about my blog?

     
  • At May 15, 2005 1:54 PM, Blogger Jarrett said…

    As far as the weaker faith comment. To have weaker faith you must have faith. I do not believe (from what i have seen and heard) that those who hold to Catholic religion (by and large) are saved. The very nature of what they believe goes againts the bible. So i think it is fair to assume that if the Pope believes all that Catholics must he is not saved and therefore has no faith.

     
  • At May 15, 2005 1:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    To leave your name click other and type in your name

     
  • At May 15, 2005 2:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    How can truth be sin? So, say someone believes in the trinity. The Father, Son, Holy Spirit in one, all as God. This is truth, yet this same person believes that homosexuality is not sin. Are his beliefs and teaching of the trinity therefore sin? Or are they truth? If he lives a life in full knowledge and teaching of the trinity as a core tenant of Christianity yet believes homosexuality is wrong, are the true beliefs that he has, sin?
    And since when does the "specific nature" of a passage have rise over the context? The context determines the specific nature...

     
  • At May 15, 2005 2:16 PM, Blogger Jarrett said…

    I guess I would say what does it matter if he believes in the trinity. Why is that something that you need to look to that person for as validation of the truth. Also, believing in the trinity doesnt make you saved, born again. Believing facts mean nothing. As far as that verse. He is saying whatever, for Christians and non christians is not born out of your faith is sin. Non believers have no faith so its all sin. Again see Hebrews 11.

     
  • At May 15, 2005 2:23 PM, Blogger Jarrett said…

    During the sermon my pastor gave today he used a good text i think applies. In Philippians 1:15-18. Paul says that some are preaching Christ out of rivalry not sincerely, but wanting to afflict him. He says they preach it in strife. So yes they preach truth, but they are sinning in the very moment that they are preaching truth. Sin and truth can coincide.

     
  • At May 15, 2005 2:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    But the fact of the trinity, that he believes, is truth. I know that believing in the trinity doesn't save you. It is just an example of a person with "no faith" as you say still believing in truth. Maybe it doesn't "matter." But it is still truth. So he may not know all truth, do any of us? But he does know some truth, a part of the truth that is given us in Scripture. So if he believes in the trinity outside of faith is that beilef sin? If one believes Love is Patient, Kind, does not eny or boast and is not proud.... outside of faith is that belief in God's truth, sin? Would you say that this person believing in the trinity, yet off a little on other beliefs would be just as well to not believe in the trinity. One has to make his way to full faith in Christ and scripture. I believe that it does matter if he believes in the trinity, he has faith that it is true.... he is closer to truth than if he did not believe in the trinity. He is better off having some belief of truth, whether it be in full or in part, than to have none at all

     
  • At May 15, 2005 2:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    sin and truth can coincide? that is a bold statement, Jesus is truth. Jesus and sin can coincide?

     
  • At May 15, 2005 2:30 PM, Blogger Jarrett said…

    Again when you say believing in the Trinity, that is an academic. Its not believing as in submitting and conforming and living acording to. I guess i would say its irrelevant what you believe without faith. I dont believe in baby steps to salvation. Salvation isnt a work in progress. He doesnt have faith that its true, atleast not biblical faith. I would refer you to www.desiringgod.org for good articles on faith. But faith is not belief that something that connot be proven is true. Hebrews 11 says faith is believing that God is and that he is a rewarder of those who seek him. Faith is coming to Jesus for the satisfaction of your soul as Piper says. Is someone better off not knowing the trinity than thinking its true. I dont know. I dont think it matters. Everything before saving faith is sin.

     
  • At May 15, 2005 2:31 PM, Blogger Jarrett said…

    Expalin more depth your question about Jesus and sin coinciding.

     
  • At May 15, 2005 2:47 PM, Blogger Jarrett said…

    I just researched and found a good article i had never read before by Pastor John Piper about that very verse in Romans 14 regarding sin. Please read it, I think it will help tremendously.

    http://www.desiringgod.org/library/sermons/80/082480.html

     
  • At May 15, 2005 3:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    What denomination are you? Will you please define truth? What do you believe must be done (not done, not works, but you know what i mean) in order for one to be saved, who do you donsider to be disciples of Christ, churches beliefs denominations, etc? What do you believe about the Holy Spirit? What churches do you believe the Holy Spirit is involved in? What churches does Christ subsist in? Will you define faith to me? I am just trying to figure out where you are coming?

     
  • At May 15, 2005 6:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    also how do you do your exegetical work? Based on what? Another thing, the roman catholic church no longer believse that sacraments are necessary for salvation, Pope John Paul in 1999 declared justification by faith alone....so now all the things that used to be believed to bring about salvation are no longer used as salvatory acts, but as traditional practice.
    How can you say they are a lost people? That they are not saved? Bold statements

     
  • At May 15, 2005 6:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    so what about pentecostals, or baptists, whoever may have differing beliefs inside of Christianity than yourself, are the in need of salvation as well?

     
  • At May 15, 2005 7:43 PM, Blogger Jarrett said…

    For one I dont know about the Pope's statement on faith alone. According to the church's own official website, sacraments and indulgences are still valid and salvific in nature. Also, they view Mary as a co-redemtress with Christ. They believe Mary lived a perfect life and that life atoned with Christ's for our sins. To be saved you must believe that Jesus Christ is God, that he died on the cross for our sins. You must recongnize you are a sinner in need of a savior and you must have faith in Christ and repent of your sins and submit to the Lordship of Christ. Faith I would saying is coming to Jesus as THE superior treasure and rewarder. Seeing him and savoring him. My denomination is baptist, I am Reformed in theology.

     
  • At May 16, 2005 7:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    you didn't answer all of my questions....i think just the ones you wanted, too...

     
  • At May 16, 2005 8:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    you probably don't think mormons are saved either....

     
  • At May 16, 2005 8:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    haha jk, jk, i know all about the mormon church, i wasd just testing you!

     
  • At May 22, 2005 10:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    No more responses?

     

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